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How would VPS deal with hate speech directed towards women?
« on: September 29, 2009, 06:21:54 AM »
Some advice needed...

At Toronto Poetry Slam, we recently encountered a poet who performed two poems that elicited a strong reaction from the audience, both during and after. He did a poem about his ex-girlfriend, all the nasty stuff he'd do to her, violent stuff. It involved hitting her, skinning her, etc. Torture porn fantasy, in a way, and included words such as "bitch" and "cunt."

For some crazy reason, this poet moved on the third round (judges gave him a range of 6.0 to 9.9) and he then did a poem about a girl smelling like lobster bisque during oral sex. While not as harsh as the last one, still vile to some, wasn't exactly a love letter to women, also included the "bitch" word more than once.

So here's the thing: how would VPS deal with this kind of poet? Yes, slam should be a forum for free expression, and censorship should be the last thing on our mind, but some audience members expressed discomfort because of this poet. They didn't think TPS was a safe place for women due to this poet's performance.

The poet claims the poems are merely about specific individuals, not women in general. On our TPS  forum, he also mentions that, "I know the reaction would've been alot different had a female poet gone up there and said the same shit about a man. I believe that whole heartedly. If she got up there and said "I should've Lorena Bobbited you"

More info can be found here:
http://torontopoetryslam.com/openmic/viewtopic.php?id=1182


Reaction? Advice? Does VPS have a policy on hate speech that is read before each slam? What kind of enforcement, if at all, would you all do to a poet like this?

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Re: How would VPS deal with hate speech directed towards women?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 01:25:12 PM »
Hey BigDeal, I've read through the discussion on the TPS board and fb event, and you have quite a stormy debate going on. We've seen similar performances on the Van Slam stage, poets that push the boundary of misogyny, and have been rewarded by the judges. So you're not alone in that respect.

From what I've read, several people were shocked or offended by three things 1.) violently sexist imagery in the poems, 2.) other members of the audience laughing along, and 3.) the judges giving these poems high scores. Now, after the slam, many people in your community are wondering what can they do to prevent this from happening again, as it made several people feel unsafe or violated at the slam, for the reasons above.

We've discussed similar problems and how we might approach them at our slam. It seems obvious, even to those who desperately want to eliminate this sort of sexism, that turning off the mic or banning the poet would lead to a very thorny debate about censorship. I would suggest that you do not entertain either of those options.

The most important to remember is that freedom of speech works both ways: the poet is free to say what they want, but the audience is free to respond as vocally as they wish. Too often, I believe, our audiences repress their feelings about a poem. At Marc Smith's Green Mill, they have what they call "the feminist hiss", which is, if anyone starts making blatantly sexist comments in their poem, the audience is trained to hiss loudly at the poet. I believe the MC should encourage the audience to make their opinions known (while remaining unbiased, as a host should). It's up to the audience to let a poet know if he's crossed a line, and if enough of the audience feels that way and voices it, problem #2 (other people laughing along) and problem #3 (the judges high scores) are greatly diminished. It will also reaffirm to the rest of the audience the values that are held by your community.

In other words, if a poet goes on a sexist rant, you should boo and heckle him. That's what I would do. Use the experience as what teachers call "a learning opportunity". Let everyone know at that moment know that those values of hate and violence are not the values shared by the community. Silent disapproval and outrage after the fact are poor substitutes for an immediate heartfelt boo, or hiss. As I said before, freedom of expression works both ways, and the audience need only respect the mic so far.

This question can be made all the more trickier as collisions occur between the liberal (and radically liberal) spoken word community and the more gangsta elements of the hip hop community. The gangsta rapper will believe they are presenting the truth of the streets unfiltered by bourgeois political correctness, while the spoken word community will be caught between relative moralism (your truth should be respected according to your cultural background) and liberal values (sexual equality and identity politics, the importance of language use, and so on). For that broader issue, there's no simple solution.
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Re: How would VPS deal with hate speech directed towards women?
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2009, 04:07:13 PM »
I agree with Chris here...."In other words, if a poet goes on a sexist rant, you should boo and heckle him. That's what I would do. Use the experience as what teachers call "a learning opportunity". Let everyone know at that moment know that those values of hate and violence are not the values shared by the community. Silent disapproval and outrage after the fact are poor substitutes for an immediate heartfelt boo, or hiss. As I said before, freedom of expression works both ways, and the audience need only respect the mic so far."

If there is somethign so outrageous happening on the mic the host should make mention of it once the poem is done.  Tell the crowd to let the poet in question know what's happening.  There's freedom of speech and then there's abusing the priviledge of participating in a slam.  A person has the right to say what they want but they should be aware of potential repercussions of abusing that priviledge.  It's your event and you also have the right to say what can or cannot be done on the mic.

We also have our Van Slam honour Code and I think something like this would be considered an honour code violation.  Apparently that docunment is somewhere on these forums for you to check out if you like.

I can't tell you what should be done.  That's up to you guys.  Good luck.

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Re: How would VPS deal with hate speech directed towards women?
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2009, 07:33:11 PM »
Thanks to Chris for his eloquent and thoughtful remarks. I couldn't have put it better.

I think it's important for folks to be vocal. Silent disapproval doesn't get you anywhere. I have some colourful heckles I can recommend. *grins*

At our very first youth slam, we had a poet on the open mic (not a youth, because we didn't have a full signup) who performed a gratuitous sex poem, graphic to the point of ridiculousness. At the break, I approached him with another one of the youth poets, and asked him why he chose to perform that poem at the youth slam. He cried censorship pretty quick, but I pointed out that censorship is shutting off the mic. I was just questioning him about his motives and intentions.

All the luck in the world, dude. This free speech business is thorny.

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Re: How would VPS deal with hate speech directed towards women?
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2009, 09:42:26 PM »
Wow, that's pretty intense stuff.  I echo Chris's eloquent reply.  It's obvious from the comments he received both at the slam, on the boards and I'm sure through email that he's aware of the effect he generated, even if he's not recalcitrant or apologetic.  I agree that free speech goes both ways and I like the idea of being vocal as an audience member about pieces that you hate or you think cross the line.  The whole debate is a tricky minefield but it must be walked.

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Re: How would VPS deal with hate speech directed towards women?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2009, 07:58:42 AM »
Truly appreciate all your feedback and advice, I'm taking it to heart and also to the upcoming Toronto Poetry Project meeting.

It is a tough decision, and we want to ensure we continue our free-speech tradition while also making the TPS space welcoming. Tough balance when an open mic pretty much allows any content, and you can't stop a poem in midstream, no matter its content, right?

Any other advice from anyone else at VPS is welcome. Angus, I know you got an opinion on this issue.

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Re: How would VPS deal with hate speech directed towards women?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2009, 10:19:11 AM »
This is from my friend Katie FS who is from Omaha NB. She is normally a great resource for these types of questions.

"so my very strongest reaction is that this is a situation that requires the slam audience to take their responsibility as seriously as the slam administrators.  why did the concerned audience members cede authority to the slammaster instead of standing up and calling for the performance to end? or booing? or challenging the poet in direct conversation?

example: the denver merc crowd is notorious for heckling.  if people don't like a poem, first they'll clink their glass with flatware, then they'll stomp their feet, and finally they'll shout to drown out the performer.  i have seen andrea gibson stand up and yell (at a woman who was being pretty free and easy with her racism), get off the stage! until the performance ceased.

i realize this is a pretty coarse, crass, typically american crowd culture--but the whole idea of audience participation in slam is that we do not have to put up with someone's bullshit just because they are in a spotlight and we are not.  if slam does not empower the people in attendance to use their voice as a tool to effect change, then it's just another spectator sport.  people might as well stay home and watch television.

and this is where i question what kind of an arts community toronto wants to cultivate.  this situation makes clear to me that the scene values politeness and a hierarchical problem-solving strategy--or at least, the leaders in the community are not actively encouraging alternative methods of resistance.  i think the spiel is an excellent opportunity to re/state a commitment on behalf of the organizers to punish hate speech offstage and to (for lack of a better verb) teach the audience that it's their job to express more than appreciation for the language that's happening onstage.  bottom line: the host and/or slammaster shouldn't need to tell a poet the audience doesn't appreciate his work.  the audience should tell him that.  definitely makes for a rowdier event, but the alternative is this.  over and over again: this.

ps.  in a similar situation years ago, a poet not only said awful things about an ex, he also used her full name onstage.  the slammaster immediately (and i mean he didn't even wait until the end of the round) cornered the guy and informed him that we didn't welcome potentially defamatory work.  because i'm not familiar with this toronto poet's work or canadian defamation law, i bring this up kind of tangentially, but know that he may be doing something that's broader than just gross if he's naming someone else and saying anything untrue about her.

pps.  in case no one else brings it up: using lorena bobbit's name as a verb is not the same as using bitch or cunt.  duh."

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Re: How would VPS deal with hate speech directed towards women?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2009, 08:13:11 AM »
often, audiences do not realize that is acceptable to boo and hiss and shout for a performance to stop, that could be a role that a host could play, reminding audiences to do that, maybe even give an example

i am a little confused by something though.  yes, freedom of speech exists in our country, but I was always under the impression that if freedom of speech threatens someone or is hateful towards a culture or gender than it is in violation of certain laws.  so, if this is the case, other than calling in authorities, shouldn't we try to stop poems that are threatening in nature to a specific woman.  it sounds like stating that he wants to 'skin' her crosses lines.

the question of who should stop her, i don't really know, other than as many people as possible

something similar happpened in Winnipeg years ago, and most of us just walked out, eventually the host asked him not to repeat that poem saying that many women felt threatened because we did. 

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Re: How would VPS deal with hate speech directed towards women?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2009, 09:50:18 AM »
chris-perfectly stated and well referenced.
i'd add only that we also have an honour code here and if neccessary that too might be brought into play.
"this is the law of the jungle-as old and as true as the sky.
every wolf that keeps it shall prosper-every wolf that does not must die
like the creeper the girdles the tree trunk,the law circles forward and back
the strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack"